old safe literature

Gary Stephenson

having a sort / clear out and found these, any info on approximate dating would be nice / appreciated.
Chubb manual of safes and strongrooms, mentions 1968 isolator introduction and some 1973 brochures, so assume 1973 or close after.

Gary Stephenson

Tann anchor reliance book 117 Newgate St London, Would imagine from about 1900 onwards, but not sure how long the Anchor Reliance stuff ran, or how long they were at 117 newgate st.

Gary Stephenson

Chatwood book, nothing in it I can see to help date it.

Gary Stephenson

Milners security and steel equipment book
Bath house, Holborn viaduct London E.C.1

Huw Eastwood

Hiya Gary, wow- you always trawl up some superb stuff from your clear outs!
Had no idea those chubb manuals existed! And love all the Chatwood stuff.
The fourth chatwood picture with Al Almond (after the explosives attack)looks to be one of their legendary CB Quality safes- an incredible bit of kit that, and overall some superb info and pictures there for the historical record.
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Gary Stephenson

Cheers Huw, does anyone know what R.R. could stand for in reference to Chubb safeworks products, seems to be heavy strongroom doors rather than safe products.

Gary Stephenson

And the Chubb service manual

Gary Stephenson

more pictures

Gary Stephenson

think I have a load of microfilm stuff somewhere that is similar to the service manual, and the odd video tape

safeman

Gary Stephenson wrote
Tann anchor reliance book 117 Newgate St London, Would imagine from about 1900 onwards, but not sure how long the Anchor Reliance stuff ran, or how long they were at 117 newgate st.

Congratulations Gary for having resuscitated the site again - and then some.
To take the Tann Reliance name it came in conjunction with the 1843 Patent No.9963 for the Bank lock with Guarded Lever and to which they Registered the Trade Name Reliance.

The Newgate Street address was given up when the Company was sold to Borewood Holdings around 1970.

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safeman

Gary Stephenson wrote
Chatwood book, nothing in it I can see to help date it.

Gary, the only approximate date will be from the illustration of Chatwood’s Harlescott Village and Conservation which I think was dated about 1928.

The Chatwood CB Special.

These were Specials for the Commercial Bank of Scotland. The radius on the corners was also a feature of the Special Diamond at that time. The top pivot carried an oiler which did little to prevent these doors binding. The lever handle near the bottom operated the hardened shutters in the keyways secured by the dial lock.

Quite a few Chatwoods, mainly Standard Treasury Quality. were attacked with high explosives in Central Scotland Banks in the 1950s. All resisted as the detonations did not destroy the locks due to the shutters. Distortion of the keylocks did take place however requiring full access to the locking points and considerable power in retracting the boltwork.

In the above example the safe was returned to Works to open. In Glasgow the affected Banks - British Linen Bank, Bank of Scotland, persuaded me to remove the safes to our workshop accompanied by a Cashier who was given a ringside seat. The Spiegeleisen ferro -manganese casting was completely torch and drill resisting and had to be chopped out with a variety of chisels. Then the boltwork and door released using a 10 ton hydraulic jack. By the end of the day the cashier was released as well as the payrolls.

Spiegeleisen (mirror iron)

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Gary Stephenson

Many thanks, so with regard to dating that book, it could have quite an age range.

Gary Stephenson

There is mention of the 1914-18 war so it is after that, also of a couple of attack tests that may be dateable.

Gary Stephenson

I remember Roy Saunders reminiscing about the joys of trying to drill speigel iron as he called it. I have drilled heavy old Chatwoods with very hard stuff that looked to have a slight coppery colour/cast to it with flecks in it that was very tough to drill even with modern kit, but don’t know if that was speigel iron or not.

Redoubt

Amazing information thanks Gary, and Safeman.

That Chatwood CB Special safe is something else.

Does any one know how many of them were made?

safeman

Redoubt wrote
Amazing information thanks Gary, and Safeman.

That Chatwood CB Special safe is something else.

Does any one know how many of them were made?

The Chatwood records were passed by on by Chubb and are now held by our Team Leader Brian Morland. I have been in touch with a request for as much CB information as he can find but due to refurbishment of his Archives he cannot access the Fiche Readers meantime. The 1930s seem likely.
The CB line was a Special Production for a Scottish Bank and were put into strorage with my Company at the time of the main bank closures in the 70s. They, and their Chubb equivalent, were quite a cost burden and were offered to me for disposal. (keys included which was unusual).
The Chatwood product line was changing before the war. The top cash safes were now very different in appearance with the door corners radiused like their strongroom doors and with round conventional bolts. I assume that the doors and lockcase framework were one piece cast steel.
They were now named Special Treasury, Special Diamond and the ‘Special CB’.
I mentioned recently that the weight of the thickest doors caused excessive wear on the top pivot and were fitted with an oiler. The draw file marks at various points around the door bear testimony. Chatwood’s identification and lock codes on the top door edge also suffered.

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safeman

Wrong boltwork.

Apologies.

Gary Stephenson

found the microfilm training manuals, knew I had them somewhere.

Redoubt

Great Pictures Safeman.

Gary where do you get all this documentation from?

Its very complete, and in depth.

Gary Stephenson

Was a Chubb safe engineer for a lot of years and tried never to let them throw anything away without me copying or collecting it, also was lucky to be in the right place at the right time when long serving engineers retired and needed their garage space back.