found another box of old locks

Gary Stephenson · 2017-07-18T22:40:06+00:00

whilst clearing up today, there were some locks from problem solving Chubb engineers , which whilst not really collectable or original, are interesting from a safe engineers point of view, they obviously couldn’t get old kroma novums at one time so grafted in a 6k75 lock into a novum body and also an escutcheon and combination dial made into locking keyhole covers to give dual control.

Huw Eastwood

Gary Stephenson wrote
A large cell lock, two Chatwood Milner 6k115 locks and what I suspect is a Ratner grille gate lock.

Sounds like the Generation Game for lock collectors Gary, all you need now is the fondue set, toaster and cuddly toy :-)

The cell lock looks like a 4L55, heck of a lump I think from memory they’re over 10 kg.

[unknown]

Chubby

I remember, they had those when I was locked up in Rampton.

Gary Stephenson

Funny you should mention that Chubby, it has ‘Chubby was ere’ scratched on the inside of it.

Thanks for the lock model number Huw, I probably have info on them somewhere, but it save me digging it out. It is a big heavy lump.

Gary Stephenson

Some more stuff from the generation game conveyor belt today.
Another old key machine, this one converted to copy chubb ava keys, and an old cast concrete safe.

Huw Eastwood

Gary that ‘safe’ is a shocker!
Looking at the warded mortice key, are we right to assume it has only a simple mortice deadlock slotted in the edge of the door? Hung on ordinary butt type hinges with no hinge bolts or dogging bar?

I posted an oddball Cotwin a while back in an antique shop, that also had the lock morticed in the edge of the door, but that was at least more conventional construction with a pretty sturdy 6 lever lock!

Gary Stephenson

Yes Huw, little old mortice lock and just the plain hinges securing the hinge side of the door. I remember working on an eggers safe from hamburg that had lock and boltwork morticed into the door edge, but that was a thing of beauty.

Gary Stephenson

Today an Ava deposit lock with wax sealed key envelope and a pay phone coin box door that has a profiled key version of the Chubb 6k202 keylock.

Huw Eastwood

Well I never…can remember cutting short bullet warded safe keys like those and wondering what the heck they were for- had no idea it was a pay phone and wouldn’t have guessed either as most had cylinder locks. Another mystery solved thanks to Gary’s Magic Mystery Conveyor. Cheers Gary!

Gary Stephenson

We used to have to open them a lot when they had been attacked or vandalised, really good construction and hardplate on them. I think I have a video somewhere of the attack tests done on them by Chubb research.
Today some old Chatwood stuff, a large Tann grille gate lock, some nice locking escutcheons and an old lock/boltwork unit.

Paul Prescott

OK. I am now trying to change the itinerary of my upcoming trip to the UK to include half a day in gary’s shed. Preferably when he’s out …🙁giggle):

Gary Stephenson

8-)

The gem today was a 6k204 lock hidden amongst a bunch of 6k174 isolator locks and some unusual possibly CM anti drill plates alongside one of the Chubb biscuit plates.

Chubby

Hard as a mother in law’s heart, those are.

I haven’t heard the term “biscuit” in this context for a very long time.

Huw Eastwood

Chubby wrote
I remember, they had those when I was locked up in Rampton.

Chubby wrote
…I haven’t heard the term “biscuit” in this context for a very long time.

Probably not since they ‘released’ you Chubby.
I know of several good dentists if you need one!

[unknown] [unknown]

Chubby

You’ve lost me there.

Huw Eastwood

Gary that’s two factory 6K204’s you’ve posted now.. :8):

Any chance you could post a photo of the back of the curtain?
Always wondered if the drill-pins for the pipe conversions were die-cast in situ or fitted afterwards and then swaged/spun over the back.

Gary Stephenson

I will take some close up pictures of it Huw.
Just more hardplates and handles today.

Gary Stephenson

Some Chatwood impregnable locks, Chubb channel lock and a nice demo unit/isolator boltwork unit.

Gary Stephenson

for Huw.

Gary Stephenson

Some Bramah keys and blanks and a set of FA Ava keys, anyone know what these were for, know about the FB set, but not what the FA were used on.

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