Antique Sargent Padlock real or fake?

Adrian Weber

I recently bought this Antique Sargent padlock on ebay and I got it very cheap. I am not sure if it is genuine or a fake since I got it so cheap. I have never seen this model. It is not polished, the shiny finish seems to be genuine.

Any help would be appreciated 🙂-:

Adrian Weber

I forgot to add the pictures.

Dean Nickel

Looks like the real, common Sargent padlock from about 1910-50s

Pschiffe

Dean Nickel wrote
Looks like the real, common Sargent padlock from about 1910-50s

Looks genuine to me, the 265U keyway, key bow shape and rectangular logo would likely indicate a manufacture date around 1940-1970.

Pete Schifferli

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Donnie

I have one of these in my collection, they are pretty common over here, nice that you got the BAG with it…….last I heard Walter Kidde& Co owned this mark, but things change so rapidly, that may not be true now…………Donnie

Billy B Edwards Jr. CML

Donnie wrote
I have one of these in my collection, they are pretty common over here, nice that you got the BAG with it…….last I heard Walter Kidde& Co owned this mark, but things change so rapidly, that may not be true now…………Donnie

That looks like the genuine article to me too. Sargent was owned by Kidde in the past but I think sold to someone else before being sold to ASSA Abloy around 1992.
BBE.

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Donnie

Boy, things change so rapidly, I can’t keep up…Doesn’t Assa/ Abloy own over a half dozen mark’s now, but have kept SOME of the original names?

Adrian Weber

Thanks for the confirmation guys 🙂

I am really happy that this one is genuine! I wasn’t sure because I had never seen this model before. I love the bag too and it will get a special place in my collection!

Donnie: Assa Abloy actually kept most of the names but the put their name underneath the original one now. For example:

UNION
Assa Abloy

ZEISS IKON
Assa Abloy

Billy B Edwards Jr. CML

Donnie wrote
Boy, things change so rapidly, I can’t keep up…Doesn’t Assa/ Abloy own over a half dozen mark’s now, but have kept SOME of the original names?

They have kept almost all of the original names unless they just did away with the company. They own hundreds of brands now and that is why some locksmiths have taken to calling them the borg. As far as I know some of the more important names that have just disappeared are Zeiss Ikon and Chubb.
I was the Key Records manager for their US division for ASSA, Abloy and Arrow lock companies for about three years. It is interesting that they now own every other company where I was in charge of key records with the exception of Master and American.
BBE.

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Adrian Weber

But Zeiss Ikon has kep their name, even the new locks here at my locksmiths store say

Zeiss Ikon
Assa Abloy

http://www.ikon.de/de/site/IKON/

timof5stars

Very similar to one I just sold:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281160882613?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649

I had expected to get more but if it had to go so low then at least it was MrWizard who got it.

Adrian Weber

Isn’t it interesting how some really neat padlocks go for so little money and others sell for hundreds if not thousands?
In some cases it is good for the buyer as in my situation but I also had many situations where I just hoped to get something and did not get it in the End because it went to high.

I really prefer to trade locks, it is more fun. At least for me personally.

But you know which locks I enjoy most?
The ones that are given to you :o:

I still have that American Lock Junkunc padlock that I restored in sooo many hours standing right in front of me. My friend Bill gave that to me. For him it was nothing special, for me it was one of the nicest gifts that I have ever received.

Donnie

Dicey, I too like locks designed by the Junkunc bros.. I have more padlocks than combinations……..I think my favorite is the old version which later became the H10′
I have a BRASS one, & one without the pin on the back side.. I think the brass one is not too common.. I have only one of these…
These are in my possession & I can take photos if needed
Their early combination 2 # is really neat the way the “gears open up”