Gougler keyless padlock combination?

Ragnar · 2013-01-13T22:13:09+00:00

I have a Gougler keyless padlock, and I don’t know the combination. Can anyone help me out? The number on the back of the lock is B250. Thanks, Ben

Adrian Weber

Well Doug I am not ignoring what you have just said I am also a little into manipulation but I am careful and do make posts on manipulation in other forums or even in closed sections of other forums. We have to be careful what we put out there and what not. And since our new member was not interested in a backround story or history at all I just got a little curious.

I think it is a shame that you guys stab me in the back here. I will withdrawl now and leave you to your discussion but do not expect me to back you up anytime soon.

Farewell.

Junker

dicey wrote
Wylk with all do respects.

Junker is not only ignoring my post he is also not interested in any way in the history of his padlock. He just wants to know how to get the combination. And he is also quite new so I am just a bit curious.

You should agree with me that this here is a history and not a manipulation forum.

I don’t know who you are, or who you think I am? So now I’m being punished for being new?? I think you are just trying to attack me and can’t get anyone else to join in!! Feeling lonely now?? Does this lock favor the one on your front door or something?? If you bothered to look, I started a new thread about a week ago asking for ANY info on this lock! That would include its HISTORY!!! So don’t be telling people what I want to know and don’t want to know. How could how this lock operates NOT be a part of its HISTORY. Find someone else to bother!!!!!

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Adrian Weber

You are the one being rude now mate and I ALWAYS said “no offense”.

You could also have explained that in a more polite way then this. We are all grown up here and I think your mobbing attempts will get you no where.

I am used to being alone so don’t you bother lad 😉

Adrian Weber

I must have missed that other topic of yours then or not read it careful enough. Things like that can happen.

wylk

If your lock is indeed like the one you found images for, congratulations, it’s a very early model. It looks a lot like US patent 863,868:

That patent was filed December 7, 1904, and granted August 20, 1907. So the lock could be said to be from the early 1900s. The “NO NINE” on the back is interesting because I hadn’t run across that particular model number before. The company started in 1888 making door locks; this is their first patent for a padlock.

Looking forward to pictures of your lock.

Junker

I apologize to everyone else for having read all this. I am not a criminal. I am a collector of anything old that interest me. Hence the name Junker. I found this lock very interesting. I have researched it, but not been able to find a lot on this exact lock. I would love to be able to open it, as well as learn anything at all about it. Everyone prefers to have the key to a lock, and this keyless lock is no different! Thanks in advance for any help or info!

Junker

wylk wrote
If your lock is indeed like the one you found images for, congratulations, it’s a very early model. It looks a lot like US patent 863,868:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]6911[/ATTACH]

That patent was filed December 7, 1904, and granted August 20, 1907. So the lock could be said to be from the early 1900s. The “NO NINE” on the back is interesting because I hadn’t run across that particular model number before. The company started in 1888 making door locks; this is their first patent for a padlock.

Looking forward to pictures of your lock.

Yes, my lock is identical. There actually is a patent date on it of March 18, 1902. It is located in the center of the dial knob. The one in the picture I’m guessing is worn off, as mine is partially.

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Doug MacQueen

Dicey, I did not mean to be a part of mob attack on you, just put forth my opinion. At the risk of being banned from this forum as I was from the Public Clearstar forum, I try to speak mind. I have noticed that you have been quite involved on this forum recently, and believe me this forum needs all the help it can get. So don’t go away . There aren’t that many who actually invest there time to begin with. Doug

wylk

The odd thing about that patent date (March 18, 1902) is that the only patent I have found on that date that is remotely relevant is the Miller patent 695,472. But it’s for a Miller escutcheon plate rather than a padlock. I guess they felt they could stamp on any old patent’s date since it was generally difficult at the time to look up a patent.

Junker

Yes, I had read that in some notes posted in another thread. I believe the notes were actually posted by you as well!

wylk

In those images you posted, I’m not convinced that the patent date on the knob has worn off. It doesn’t look that worn, and the other text is in fair condition. I’d speculate that this specimen was manufactured before the patent was granted.

I also noticed that the “NINE” was partially obliterated on the back, not the best-planned layout!

Junker

wylk wrote
In those images you posted, I’m not convinced that the patent date on the knob has worn off. It doesn’t look that worn, and the other text is in fair condition. I’d speculate that this specimen was manufactured before the patent was granted.

I also noticed that the “NINE” was partially obliterated on the back, not the best-planned layout!

So you’re thinking the pictured lock could have been before the patent, and my lock after the patent?
I was just guessing about it being worn because my outside knob writing is completely readable. But in the center, PAT. 18 02 is all that’s left. Mar and 19 is gone. Even the “PAT 18 02” that is there is weak. Mine is the same way on the back. “NIN” is all you can make out. The “E” is just a blob, worse than the one pictured.

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Riyame

wylk wrote
In those images you posted, I’m not convinced that the patent date on the knob has worn off. It doesn’t look that worn, and the other text is in fair condition. I’d speculate that this specimen was manufactured before the patent was granted.

I also noticed that the “NINE” was partially obliterated on the back, not the best-planned layout!

He stated that he got those pictures online and the ones he posted are not pictures of his actual lock.

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wylk

Riyame wrote
He stated that he got those pictures online and the ones he posted are not pictures of his actual lock.

I realize that, and stated my suspicion with that in mind.

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Junker

Donnie wrote
Hi, is your lock body round with 18 clicks & a small number on the bottom rear of the case?
I am unsure of what lock you are working on… can you provide a photo front & rear?
Donnie

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 18 clicks refer to? And how do I tell if mine has 18 clicks? Any number of clicks to the right, 1-10, will take the same number of clicks to get back to the left stop. But once I go 11 clicks to the right, it will only take 4 clicks to get back to the left stop. Then it continues to grow, 1 more click to the left for every additional click to the right. Until you reach 10 clicks to the left again. In other words, no matter how many right clicks, it will never take more than 10 clicks to get back to the left stop. Does this perhaps mean it is a 10 click?? No?? Again, please excuse my ignorance!

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Billy B Edwards Jr. CML

Junker wrote
Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 18 clicks refer to? And how do I tell if mine has 18 clicks? Any number of clicks to the right, 1-10, will take the same number of clicks to get back to the left stop. But once I go 11 clicks to the right, it will only take 4 clicks to get back to the left stop. Then it continues to grow, 1 more click to the left for every additional click to the right. Until you reach 10 clicks to the left again. In other words, no matter how many right clicks, it will never take more than 10 clicks to get back to the left stop. Does this perhaps mean it is a 10 click?? No?? Again, please excuse my ignorance!

It does not mean that. The way these locks work is not similar to a standard combination lock with multiple wheels. These locks have a single wheel that has projections on it that form a sort of maze. Once the lever inside goes through part of the maze it can go further in a given direction than it could have before. So, it is entirely possible to go 10 clicks from the stop and then go back more than that. The only thing that would stop that would be an incorrect combination for the first number of clicks that wouldn’t allow the lever to fall into another part of the maze.

That is a rather simplified description of the mechanism, but explains how there can be differnt and at times greater numbers of clicks in different directions.
BBE.

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Junker

Ok Guys. Finally, my pictures. Here are 5 pictures of my lock. The third picture is what’s left of the patent date on the knob (March 18, 1902). The fourth picture is of the number on the shackle, which appears to me to be 5503. It is a little pitted in this area, so it’s kind of hard to be certain. I included the fifth picture with the web address here and my user name just for a little proof that this is a picture of my lock. Let me know what y’all think!

wylk

That is a nice lock, and not very common at all as far as I know.

Junker

I GOT IT OPEN!!!!!! Thanks to everyone who offered help and a SUPER thank you to BBE! It was your explanation of how these things work that got my thinking on the right track, which eventually led to my deciphering the combination. Thank you wylk for your continued input. I ended up googling the patent number and found a written explanation of how it worked to go along with the pictures. This was a huge help as well! I’m so relieved to have it operational now!! Please keep any new info on the lock coming.

Junker

wylk wrote
If your lock is indeed like the one you found images for, congratulations, it’s a very early model. It looks a lot like US patent 863,868:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]6911[/ATTACH]

That patent was filed December 7, 1904, and granted August 20, 1907. So the lock could be said to be from the early 1900s. The “NO NINE” on the back is interesting because I hadn’t run across that particular model number before. The company started in 1888 making door locks; this is their first patent for a padlock.

Looking forward to pictures of your lock.

After closer examination, I don’t believe this is patent 863,868. It is definitely very similar, and the closest patent I can find. But still not exact. I have a link below to the patent 863,868. Notice screws 50 and 51, easiest seen in Fig. 2, on the back side of the lock. My lock does not have these. It does however have screw #49 (seen easiest in hole 10 in Fig.4), found under the shackle, once the lock is opened. This does match patent 863,868. What does all this mean? Could this be a prototype or something? And if so, what would that mean in terms of rarity and value??
http://www.google.com/patents/US863868.pdf

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