Gougler Keyless padlock combination requests.

Paul Prescott · 2010-05-12T23:54:58+00:00

Thanks to the goodwill of site supporter ‘ oldbiscuit ’ users have in the past been able to receive codes for Gougler Keyless padlocks. It is becoming a concern that numbers of requests are now being made for such codes and it is still possible that these padlocks may be in use, while I am not suggesting that any of the previous requests have been improper to ensure that all requests in the future are legitimate the following must be included in any code request post. 1 - At least two clear photo’s of the lock in question, 1 front, 1 back uploaded to this server and included in the post. 2 - The photo’s must be taken against a sheet of paper, on the paper must be written the full name of the owner of the lock and this website name, ie : Mr John Smith, www.antique-locks.com All of the above must be clear and legible. Any queries regarding this policy please post here. Thanks

Donnie

doubled wrote
have resizedwill retry

Could this be Oregon Railroad & Navigation Co. ?………Donnie

[unknown]

doubled

yes it was

Donnie wrote
Could this be Oregon Railroad & Navigation Co. ?………Donnie

[unknown]

edsmiley

Hello everyone.

I bought this Gougler Keyless padlock on Ebay for $8.75 shipped. I have been looking for one of these with the keyway in the back. (Aside: I always thought it was interesting that it has “Keyless locks” right above the keyway. :o🙂

So I was able to use a jiggler key to get the lock open via the keyway, but would love to get the combination to this lock. However, the only markings on this lock are on that back side of the shackle, on the left side and it says “88”. If someone could help me get the combo for this, that would be great. Pictures as per the rules below.

Thanks!
Ed

wylk

Hi Ed,

In my limited experience, these key-bypass locks were sold in large block orders to schools, factories, and such. The lock factory would not stamp them with the usual code numbers. Instead, the locks would be stamped with purchaser-specific code numbers and a code book would be provided to the customer. As a result the usual codes are not useful here. One source suggests two-digit codes were never used! The Reed code book does not list a combo for 088.

Other folks might have better information than I do.

edsmiley

Thanks for the reply wylk!

I’ll keep an eye out, but don’t see too many with a keyway, so at least that is a plus. :-)

Cheers!
Ed

wylk

Ed, are you aware of the other style of keyed/keyless Gougler padlock? These use a somewhat flat key via a slot at the base of the case which eliminates the huge bulge of the style you have. There was a discussion under the thread "Gougler Padlock Combination" with some pictures. The locks are not too rare on eBay but the keys are very hard to find.

timof5stars

OK, I think I’ve followed the rules here. If not, let me know and I’ll correct whatever is wrong.

I’ve got a Gougler that came without key or combo. As you can see from the photo, I was able to pick the keyed side of the lock. But I would still like to get the combination. The only thing resembling a serial number is on the shackle (3232, see photo)

oldbiscuit

Timo, try R3-L7-R6

timof5stars

Did not work but let me make sure I went about this correctly.

Closed the lock and moved the the keyway back to the locked position. Made sure shackle was firmly locked.
Spun the dial 2 complete turns to the right, then, starting from zero. Turned dial to the right stopping at 3.
Turned dial one complete revolution to the left, then continued turning left until reaching 7.
Turned dial to the right, stopping at the very first time I came to 6

BTW, the model of Gougler has “detents” on the dial at every other number (0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16, 18)

oldbiscuit

Tim, The numbers are for show only. Turn the dial several times to the right, stopping at 0. Then continue to turn right 3 clicks. Then turn left 7 clicks. Turn right 6 clicks. It should stop on the 6th click and you should be able to pull the lock open. Mark

timof5stars

oldbiscuit wrote
Tim, The numbers are for show only. Turn the dial several times to the right, stopping at 0. Then continue to turn right 3 clicks. Then turn left 7 clicks. Turn right 6 clicks. It should stop on the 6th click and you should be able to pull the lock open. Mark

Ah ha. I get it. I don’t have the lock with me right now - but I did happen to have a J. B. Miller Keyless Lock Co. that works the same way (or at at least is suppose to - see subsequent post). That explains the detents every other number.

I’ll try this tonight when I get home.

[unknown]

timof5stars

Actually, I did have the Gougler with with and the 376 combination works! Thanks oldbiscuit!

Now if I can just get the Miller Keyless to work…

Adrian Weber

Glad you got it open timo congratz :o:!

GKanes

Stamped on the back are J.B.M.K.L CO KENT OH and Patent #s 1,825,467 & 1,929,598.
Under the arch of the shackle it may be stamped 74 though this seems too short a number and it’s like trying to read a doctor’s note.
The front dial also says J.B.M.K.L. CO KENT OH in place of any numbers or letters. It appears to turn infinitely far CCW but to have a positive stop when turning CW.
Can anyone tell me the specific model? I’ve found a bunch it isn’t…
Any chance of the combo?
TIA
Gabriel

wylk

This may have been their model 5 padlock, my notes are sketchy about model numbers. The red dot appeared in 1929 but the presence of the patent numbers dates it to 1933 or later, and probably no later than 1939 when they switched from stamped steel cases to die cast cases.

The dial stop strongly suggests a dialing sequence starting with right-to-stop, left some number of clicks, right some number, etcetera, then pull on the shackle (these do not have a shackle spring, so they will not “pop” open). The “74” is probably a partial code number, they were usually three digits but placing this on the underside of the shackle was a poor choice because of wear. This was moved in later models. Can you tell if the 74 is the right-hand-side of the code, i.e. does it look like it might have been x74, or 74x?

GKanes

Definitely not a spring loaded shackle; it is hinged on the left. There does not appear to be excessive wear on either side of the “74” where another digit may have been, it really looks as though it was just 74, improbable as that may be. I tried to get a close up but with the lock closed it’s hard to get a good angle. There may be something stamped on the front face of the shackle, right at 12 o’clock, but it looks more like letters than numbers, OR or ON. Is 011 a valid code?

GKanes

As I have been researching this lock, and many like it, I am confused about the combinations that seem to instruct turning past the stop. I found a lock very similar to mine which instructed, “right to stop, L4-6-3-3.” If you have turned to the right as far as it will turn, then turned four stops left, how do you then turn more than four stops right again?
I apologize if this has been covered before.

wylk

GKanes wrote
As I have been researching this lock, and many like it, I am confused about the combinations that seem to instruct turning past the stop. I found a lock very similar to mine which instructed, “right to stop, L4-6-3-3.” If you have turned to the right as far as it will turn, then turned four stops left, how do you then turn more than four stops right again?

The stop mechanism isn’t simple. Once you hit it, and turn the other direction, the “stylus” is moved outwards and will not be recaptured for another full (or more) rotation. It’s hard to describe without looking at a cutaway or at least some of the images you might find in this thread and others.

Here is an image from US patent 1,825,467:

Notice the cam surfaces at 6:00, this horizontal “Y” will capture the stylus when you turn the knob CW which causes it to stop.

US patent 2,441,895 describes a different stop mechanism that is, I believe, unique to the model 200 series.

[unknown]

wylk

GKanes wrote
Definitely not a spring loaded shackle; it is hinged on the left. There does not appear to be excessive wear on either side of the “74” where another digit may have been, it really looks as though it was just 74, improbable as that may be. I tried to get a close up but with the lock closed it’s hard to get a good angle. There may be something stamped on the front face of the shackle, right at 12 o’clock, but it looks more like letters than numbers, OR or ON. Is 011 a valid code?

While 011 should be a valid code, it’s most likely the 74. The Reed Padlock Code Book does show 074 but they have no combination listed for it. For the ones listed on either side of 74, there are 4-digit as well as 5-digit codes listed. This makes it tough to suggest trial and error. It may be possible to open the lock by slipping something thin past the non-hinge-side opening and tripping the locking bolt (later models thwart this attack). If you can get it open, it may be possible to determine the combination by careful observation but I’ve never been motivated enough to try.

[unknown]

GKanes

Thank you for the explanation. I had seen that drawing but it makes much more sense to me now that you’ve described it. I will fuss with shimming it, and report back if I have any success. If anyone has further information on this lock, please chime in.
Thanks again.

« Previous Page Next Page »