chubb safe no32

Gary Stephenson · 2018-09-05T21:01:26+00:00

Would anyone have any info, old brochure or catalogue info on a Chubb safe from 1867 described as a no32 safe, other serial numbers are also described as no32 safe, so I assume this refers to a particular model and size, maybe like telegraph codewords like ASTUTE to identify a size and model.

Tom Gordon

Huw Eastwood wrote
Ah, so fair play then Tom, what age is it?

I think it is 1873

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Huw Eastwood

Tom Gordon wrote
I think it is 1873

Cheers Tom

Cepasaccus wrote
Especially at that time 50 quid were basically nothing.

Could you explain a bit more please Cepasaccus as my basic understanding is £50 was a serious amount of money at that time.

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Cepasaccus

Huw Eastwood wrote
Could you explain a bit more please Cepasaccus as my basic understanding is £50 was a serious amount of money at that time.

Exactly!

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safeman

Tom Gordon wrote
Ah, but to be fair, it was only an escutcheon lock but they had to make and fit the cabinet lock, the steel rod, the knob AND the screw thread for the knob so it would be difficult to do that for under £50 😺

Tom, prompted by this subject I’ve managed to find an old picture of a Diamond which has two auxiliary locks, the lower one which I don’t understand as there doesn’t appear to be a corresponding second lock.

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safeman

Huw Eastwood wrote
Just noticed the CB Quality Chatwood has two boltwork handles, another to add to the list. Was going to start a new thread on such a few years ago as safes with two working handles are a rarity, but only managed I think it was three or four. Sorry to carry on the CB topic on your no32 Chubb thread Gary, but in my defence it was safeman that started it 🙁wasntme):

Huw, I am not entirely certain but I always believed that the lower handle operated the keyhole blocking device/s. The attached boltwork picture seems to support this but then my theory falls apart when I see pictures of the safe with keys in the locks but the lower handle vertical unless the shutter has been removed at some time.

Although this picture is of the Diamond boltwork I would think it most probable that the CB was more or less identical.

I can’t remember whether I’ve mentioned it before but the CB had a heavy steel rim of ½" or thicker welded round the entire front face of the body to help support the extra heavy SRD type hinge assembly and door plus there were oilers originally fixed to the top one with only the attachment holes remaining.

Also, apologies to you Gary for having changed the subject - I must have gone off ‘pisste’.

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Gary Stephenson

Everyone can go off pisste as much as they want as long as they are posting pictures and info of these beauties.

S51497 style treasury standard quality safe (new design)

S52570 the record that I believe contain this serial number has been cropped upon producing the file, so have counted back and it looks to be a similar description to above

date of 1929 on the index but possibly 1933 on the fiche line

if I find anything else I will post it up.

Tom Gordon

safeman wrote
Tom, prompted by this subject I’ve managed to find an old picture of a Diamond which has two auxiliary locks, the lower one which I don’t understand as there doesn’t appear to be a corresponding second lock.

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i believe that what you have there is a fan lock with escutcheon lock and day lock and a dummy knob.
any guesses which is which?

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Tom Gordon

safeman wrote
Huw, I am not entirely certain but I always believed that the lower handle operated the keyhole blocking device/s. The attached boltwork picture seems to support this but then my theory falls apart when I see pictures of the safe with keys in the locks but the lower handle vertical unless the shutter has been removed at some time.

Although this picture is of the Diamond boltwork I would think it most probable that the CB was more or less identical.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]20223[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]20224[/ATTACH] I can’t remember whether I’ve mentioned it before but the CB had a heavy steel rim of ½" or thicker welded round the entire front face of the body to help support the extra heavy SRD type hinge assembly and door plus there were oilers originally fixed to the top one with only the attachment holes remaining.

Also, apologies to you Gary for having changed the subject - I must have gone off ‘pisste’.

the best round letterlock is the control for the slider which blocks off the keyhole.
On a fan lock the lower handle lifts/lowers a pivoted actuator (on left and right of the lock) to move two separate bolt works. A different lock could use 2 handles to do that.
a cross shaped rather than t shaped plate would typically be a round ketterlock above a fanlock.

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safeman

Tom Gordon wrote
i believe that what you have there is a fan lock with escutcheon lock and day lock and a dummy knob.
any guesses which is which?

Thanks for that Tom, I never thought of a day lock which I’ve only seen once before and that was on a huge Milner in the City Collector’s Dept. of the Glasgow Corporation. It was a spring latch which I assumed to be an emergency closure device against hold-up.

I’ll guess that the top left handle is a pull handle and top right the keyhole shutter knob with the cross-locking bars round handle below.

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safeman

Gary Stephenson wrote
Everyone can go off pisste as much as they want as long as they are posting pictures and info of these beauties.

S51497 style treasury standard quality safe (new design)

S52570 the record that I believe contain this serial number has been cropped upon producing the file, so have counted back and it looks to be a similar description to above

date of 1929 on the index but possibly 1933 on the fiche line

if I find anything else I will post it up.

Many thanks Gary for having taken the trouble. Wolverhampton was very obliging in the early days when they came up with the reference to CB Specials for the Commercial Bank.
Tann likewise was equally obliging to Chubb.

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Chubby

I like a grab handle on a heavy door. I think Chubb not putting them on their TDRs was a mistake. I have seen bolt throwing handles damaged by their use to swing the door.

Gary Stephenson

The bankers or 3rd strength tdr normally had the wedge shaped pull handle, so its not as if they couldn’t have fitted them to all strengths if they had wanted to. The bolt throw handles were of reasonably good strength back then and if the doors adjusted correctly, were up to the job.

Tom Gordon

safeman wrote
Thanks for that Tom, I never thought of a day lock which I’ve only seen once before and that was on a huge Milner in the City Collector’s Dept. of the Glasgow Corporation. It was a spring latch which I assumed to be an emergency closure device against hold-up.

I’ll guess that the top left handle is a pull handle and top right the keyhole shutter knob with the cross-locking bars round handle below.

The pivotting seesaw has connections to the safe boltwork on both sides of the lock - that is thrown by the drop handle while the central knob is for moving the bolt stumps into the fan levers

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Redoubt

Just changing the topic ever so slightly back to safe moving. This is a highly unsafe procedure. They do not have high-visibility vests on.

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