Unidentified Remote Combination Viewer Vaults

VaultDoors · 2017-02-04T07:24:53+00:00

I need help identifying these Remote Combination Viewer Vaults. Please let me know if you recognize any of them - Thanks!

VaultDoors

wylk wrote
I’ve seen the first two images in the book Lure of the Lock (Holmes wrote that section), but I don’t know where they were installed. The other two are interesting but are new to me.

Here is the Holmes article, ‘Bank Vault Construction and Equipment’ from The Lure Of The Lock (1928) for reference.

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the-lure-of-the-lock-1928-holmes-article.pdf

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VaultDoors

wylk wrote
Here is the Cleveland Fed door being machined, as well as its vestibule (frame). It looks like the same machine is being used which means the taper should be well matched. I once found a patent for a machine that would rotate a vault door back and forth in its vestibule to achieve a “lapped” finish between the two but the description here is of a hand fit and finish.

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And this is even a remote combination viewer installation!

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Here is the Cleveland Federal Reserve brochure (1923) for reference:

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cfr-brochure-1923.pdf

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Huw Eastwood

Pointed this out over on the ‘Offset combination locks’ thread as that ones also been taken over by the ‘remote viewer’ discussion, but since it relates directly to this thread I’ll mention it again here…

Worth noting the universal couplings visible in the viewer unit photo that TJ posted, they’re on the vertical shafts driving the combo indicators up to the viewer..

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RiemannHypothesis wrote
T J,

thanks for your replies. Yeah I guess the gear train is the issue we are looking at when it comes to remote viewers, since for ordinary doors you have a simple spindle and maybe some offset gears. Well it would be nice if somebody could make detailed pics of the interiors of a remote viewer. On the other hand we can take a look at the blue prints from @Vaultdoors . Maybe he can post them here again?

Maik

The only sketches I have of Remote Combo Viewers are from the US2081316 patent, see attached. I found another patent that shows Remote Combo Viewers but there is no detail; it appears to be a direct drive combo in the US1574295 patent, see attached. If anyone could share blueprints, sketches or pics of Remote Combo Viewers it would be greatly appreciated. It would be interesting to learn why there is such limited information on these devices that represent century old technology…

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us2081316-combo-viewer-vault.pdf

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us1574295-cylindrical-vault-door.pdf

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RiemannHypothesis

Thanks Vaultdoors, I really appreciate this brochures. The limitation of information has always bothering me. But I think we have now gathered a high amount of information to build our own remote viewers 🙂 The one I am currently building will not be my last I guess and in the future I would build it much more authentic and realistic than today, yet I am totally happy with my construction so far. Maybe that is because I had to think for myself about the mechanism and I found good and safe solutions for this 🙂 But in the future I think I would rather stick to the originals… Anyways so when do you guys start to build your own remote viewers? 😃:

Cheers

Maik

VaultDoors

VaultDoors wrote
The only sketches I have of Remote Combo Viewers are from the US2081316 patent, see attached. I found another patent that shows Remote Combo Viewers but there is no detail; it appears to be a direct drive combo in the US1574295 patent, see attached. If anyone could share blueprints, sketches or pics of Remote Combo Viewers it would be greatly appreciated. It would be interesting to learn why there is such limited information on these devices that represent century old technology…

CORRECTION - The US1574295 patent does not show Remote Combo Viewers just Remote Combos.

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VaultDoors

For those folks who have worked on Remote Combination Viewers, have you ever seen Patent Numbers on their interiors? If so, can you please post the patent number(s) - Thx!

VaultDoors

RiemannHypothesis wrote
Thanks Vaultdoors, I really appreciate this brochures. The limitation of information has always bothering me. But I think we have now gathered a high amount of information to build our own remote viewers 🙂 The one I am currently building will not be my last I guess and in the future I would build it much more authentic and realistic than today, yet I am totally happy with my construction so far. Maybe that is because I had to think for myself about the mechanism and I found good and safe solutions for this 🙂 But in the future I think I would rather stick to the originals… Anyways so when do you guys start to build your own remote viewers? 😃:

Cheers

Maik

I could start building a Remote Combo Viewer as soon as I find enough info about the devices and find someone qualified to build it right. It would be dual custody; I haven’t decided on going with a pressure system lug or a lug lock but it doesn’t matter at this point because it will not be used in conjunction with a vault door. It would be installed at the entrance to my Bunker and entering the correct combinations and cranking the bolt-throwing hand wheel will trigger an electronic lock to open the door.

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Tom Gordon

I actually DO own a bunker -I would recommend having an inward opening door which will allow you to exit when rubble and stuff could otherwise obstruct it’s opening.

RiemannHypothesis

I could start building a Remote Combo Viewer as soon as I find enough info about the devices and find someone qualified to build it right. It would be dual custody; I haven’t decided on going with a pressure system lug or a lug lock but it doesn’t matter at this point because it will not be used in conjunction with a vault door. It would be installed at the entrance to my Bunker and entering the correct combinations and cranking the bolt-throwing hand wheel will trigger an electronic lock to open the door.

Well I do understand the engineering and the mechanics of remote combination viewers (finally) and I also could build you one. Only the distance would be an obstacle, but maybe when shipped in smaller parts the costs are not too high. Just let me know.

Cheers

Maik

VaultDoors

Tom Gordon wrote
I actually DO own a bunker -I would recommend having an inward opening door which will allow you to exit when rubble and stuff could otherwise obstruct it’s opening.

The interior door swings inward and the outer ‘door’ (3′ beyond) is an armored shutter that retracts into the ceiling to create a Sally port. The interior door has a gun port :o:

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Tom Gordon

VaultDoors wrote
The interior door swings inward and the outer ‘door’ (3′ beyond) is an armored shutter that retracts into the ceiling to create a Sally port. The interior door has a gun port :o:

Ah but do you, like myself, have a 17th century cannon inside your front gate, defending against the Spanish or other pirates coming up the drive?

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VaultDoors

One King West has made their Safety Deposit Vault an interactive experience. They replaced the steel panel on the Remove Combination Viewer with plexiglass and added a placard near the RCV titled ‘Take a Closer Look’. Unfortunately, the lettering is too small to read but I assume it describes the inner workings of the RCV and may even allow tourists to flip on the viewer light and spin the combo dials.

VaultDoors

Here is a single photo showing the Cleveland Federal Reserve’s vault door bolt-throwing door pins and jamb pins. The door pins appear to be ‘pig nose’ security bolts; perhaps the jamb pins are as well.

VaultDoors

Tom Gordon wrote
Ah but do you, like myself, have a 17th century cannon inside your front gate, defending against the Spanish or other pirates coming up the drive?

I do not :-(

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Huw Eastwood

VaultDoors wrote
Here is a single photo showing the Cleveland Federal Reserve’s vault door bolt-throwing door pins and jamb pins. The door pins appear to be ‘pig nose’ security bolts; perhaps the jamb pins are as well.

I know (and can see ) the push pins you are referring to, but what are ‘pig nosed’ ‘security bolts’ that you’re saying they appear to be?

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VaultDoors

Huw Eastwood wrote
I know (and can see ) the push pins you are referring to, but what are ‘pig nosed’ ‘security bolts’ that you’re saying they appear to be?

The ends appear to be the same style as pig nose security bolts. These tamper resistant bolts have two indentations that require a special wrench; they are also known as ‘two hole’ bolts.

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Tom Gordon

VaultDoors wrote
The ends appear to be the same style as pig nose security bolts. These tamper resistant bolts have two indentations that require a special wrench; they are also known as ‘two hole’ bolts.

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another name for that is Snake Eyed security screws/bolts

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VaultDoors

If you look closely there are two indentations on the glass door frame which leads me to believe a security bolt was also used there as well.

VaultDoors

There is a ding on the door edge which appears to be caused by a collision with the extended (top) jamb push pin when closing the door.

If you look at the inside frame there is another ding which appears to be caused by a collision with the extended (top) door push pin when closing the door.

The One King West door and jamb have similar dings presumably caused by collisions with extended push pins when closing the door. I wonder if they forgot to include, ‘retract all push pins before closing the door’ in the operating procedures. :o:

The Cleveland Federal Reserve door pins appear to be unprotected whereas the One King West door pins are protected with collars and the Capital Grille door pins are protected with blocks presumably for the same reason.

The One King West door pin collars appear to be added after original installation (screwed in) and the Capital Grille door pin blocks appear to part of the original installation as no attachment points are visible.

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