Mystery Star Shaped Escutcheon

Warren63 · 2016-12-31T19:35:49+00:00

Hi and a “Happy new year” to everyone when it happens. I’ve acquired this escutcheon and the text is a bit worn on places, does anyone recognise it as a Chubb escutcheon? I think I may have seen it before on fleabay listed as a Chubb escutcheon but my memory stopped serving me well many moons ago so help would be greatly appreciated.

Huw Eastwood

Blimey Tom that’s half as long as Gerard’s original list, very impressive you must have hundreds of them.

Tom Gordon

Huw Eastwood wrote
you must have hundreds of them.

Not “hundreds”

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Huw Eastwood

Just remembered this contender- don’t recall seeing the container it was off unfortunetely. It’s nothing unusual when closed and looks like a Carron-type cast iron safe escutcheon for a large warded pipe key, until you slide and flip the top to reveal the two small and opposing keyholes.

Tom Gordon

Huw Eastwood wrote
Just remembered this contender- don’t recall seeing the container it was off unfortunetely. It’s nothing unusual when closed and looks like a Carron-type cast iron safe escutcheon for a large warded pipe key, until you slide and flip the top to reveal the two small and opposing keyholes.
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That IS unusual -for early two way boltwork?

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Sam Kremer

chubbbramah wrote
Curiously, there are a couple of those coat of arms badges on Ebay currently. Do they look pre-1837? not that I am a heraldic expert.

Those arms are post 1837. A change in the Royal arms occurred in 1837 when Victoria ascended the throne. She was unable to ascend to Hanoverian throne, as she was a woman. Thus the central escutcheon (shield) of the house of Hanover was removed from the Royal arms. That central shield on the safe is also a lozenge (diamond) which was often used to depict a woman’s arms.

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Tom Gordon

Sam Kremer wrote
Those arms are post 1837. A change in the Royal arms occurred in 1837 when Victoria ascended the throne. She was unable to ascend to Hanoverian throne, as she was a woman. Thus the central escutcheon (shield) of the house of Hanover was removed from the Royal arms. That central shield on the safe is also a lozenge (diamond) which was often used to depict a woman’s arms.

S

Also a Kings crown is different to a queens - the queens one rises from the middle before it drops on both sides

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Sam Kremer

Not quite. Queen Elizabeth wears the Imperial State Crown which is the crown she usually wears when opening parliament etc. If you look at that one, it is similar to what most people usually call the ’King’s Crown’. The St Edwards Crown is the one used in her cypher and was worn by her on her coronation, and is thus on most military crests, badges etc. But, as queen, she has worn both - although she hadn’t worn the St Edward’s crown in the 60 years since she was crowned…

Tom Gordon

Sam Kremer wrote
Not quite. Queen Elizabeth wears the Imperial State Crown which is the crown she usually wears when opening parliament etc. If you look at that one, it is similar to what most people usually call the ’King’s Crown’. The St Edwards Crown is the one used in her cypher and was worn by her on her coronation, and is thus on most military crests, badges etc. But, as queen, she has worn both - although she hadn’t worn the St Edward’s crown in the 60 years since she was crowned…

Very interesting Thankyou, but on U.K. safe plaques, I struggle to think of an example where these 2 crowns havenÂ’t given us an idea of dating- although there were also a very few other crowns used as well.

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Tom Gordon

Tom Gordon wrote
Very interesting Thankyou, but on U.K. safe plaques, I struggle to think of an example where these 2 crowns havenÂ’t given us an idea of dating- although there were also a very few other crowns used as well.

It occurs to me that this couldn’t be for two way bolt work operated by two keys because the mechanisms would interfere with each other.
Clutching at straws, if the second keyhole wasn’t a aftermarket bodge, could it be a universal escutcheon used for any orientation of the lock?
It seems unduly penny pinching.

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