Metwerks I have an antique folding skeleton key from M.W. & Co (Mallory Wheeler)that appears to be a key blank (uncut). Judging by it’s size, I am wondering if this is a prison/jail key. Does anyone recognize the type of lock this might have been used on? Also I am guessing this is 1800’s but the company was in business until 1916 or so
Pschiffe Metwerks wroteI have an antique folding skeleton key from M.W. & Co (Mallory Wheeler)that appears to be a key blank (uncut). Judging by it’s size, I am wondering if this is a prison/jail key. Does anyone recognize the type of lock this might have been used on? Also I am guessing this is 1800’s but the company was in business until 1916 or so Folding key blanks were in use in the later 19th and early 20th century. Sometimes called “jack knife” or “store door” keys, I believe the theory is that they would take up less space in the pocket or purse. See attached thumbnail from the Graham Mfg. Co. ca. 1948 showing several styles. The large size of your sample and the fact that it is apparently made of brass indicates it probably did have a special use of some sort, perhaps a mausoleum? Pete Schifferli [unknown]
Scott Klemm Metwerks wroteI have an antique folding skeleton key from M.W. & Co (Mallory Wheeler)that appears to be a key blank (uncut). Judging by it’s size, I am wondering if this is a prison/jail key. Does anyone recognize the type of lock this might have been used on? Also I am guessing this is 1800’s but the company was in business until 1916 or so [ATTACH=CONFIG]14101[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]14102[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]14103[/ATTACH] I have a similar key with minor differences. The name Mallory, Wheeler & Company would date your key between 1865 and 1913. I believe your key is of the store door variety. Merchants and other businesses needed heavy doors that could withstand a heavy blow. Since the rim lock was mounted on the inside of the door, a long key was required. The key was made to fold to make it easier to carry. [unknown]
Metwerks Scott Klemm wroteI have a similar key with minor differences. The name Mallory, Wheeler & Company would date your key between 1865 and 1913. I believe your key is of the store door variety. Merchants and other businesses needed heavy doors that could withstand a heavy blow. Since the rim lock was mounted on the inside of the door, a long key was required. The key was made to fold to make it easier to carry. Thanks Scott, good info - I was going off memory when I said 1916 but at least I was close. The company closed its doors and I was just guessing that the shear weight, that it was industrial/commercial of some sort and more likely pre-1900 with 35 years on the south and 13 years on the north. I cannot find anything online showing the type of lock, so I appreciate the store front potential and I will look further. [unknown]
Pschiffe Metwerks wrote I cannot find anything online showing the type of lock, so I appreciate the store front potential and I will look further. About thirty years ago the late Don Stewart of Key Collectors International did a large number of old hardware catalog reprints. Among those were Mallory-Wheeler, 1901, 79 pages (MW-1) and Mallory-Wheeler, 1891, 34 pages (MW-2). Some of those old reprints can still be purchased from Richard Chenovick, you might want to contact him regarding availibility if interested: Richard Chenovick 1491 Sycamore Canyon Rd. Santa Barbara, CA 93108-1848 eMail: rchenovickATjuno.com change AT to @ Pete Schifferli [unknown]
Metwerks Pschiffe wroteAbout thirty years ago the late Don Stewart of Key Collectors International did a large number of old hardware catalog reprints. Among those were Mallory-Wheeler, 1901, 79 pages (MW-1) and Mallory-Wheeler, 1891, 34 pages (MW-2). Some of those old reprints can still be purchased from Richard Chenovick, you might want to contact him regarding availibility if interested: Richard Chenovick 1491 Sycamore Canyon Rd. Santa Barbara, CA [URL=“tel:93108-1848”]93108-1848[/URL] eMail: rchenovickATjuno.com change AT to @ Pete Schifferli Thank you so much Pete [unknown]
Metwerks I noticed that with the 2 for sale on ebay. Mine definitely DOES NOT but unsure what that means (pre patent or something made years later)
Scott Klemm Metwerks wroteThanks Scott, good info - I was going off memory when I said 1916 but at least I was close. The company closed its doors and I was just guessing that the shear weight, that it was industrial/commercial of some sort and more likely pre-1900 with 35 years on the south and 13 years on the north. I cannot find anything online showing the type of lock, so I appreciate the store front potential and I will look further. I have a copy of Stewart’s 1901 catalog reprint and it’s all padlocks. If you contact Chenovick for the other catalog, be sure to ask if it shows rim locks too. Here’s a picture of a Mallory-Wheeler store door lock with folding key. It’s not the same as yours, but will give you an idea of how the lock looked. [unknown]
Metwerks The M&W Co folding bronze keys I have seen all have a patent 1869. My key does not which I assume means it may pre-date the patent?? Thoughts
Doug MacQueen I noticed you called it a skeleton key. It is likely a lever lock key blank. Could be a warded key blank but doubtful being a 1865 patent. Yes it could be from prior to receiving the patent but much more likely after. Once a patent is no longer in effect many companies would just not stamp it. Skeleton keys are keys that have been reduced in material “skeletonized” in the hopes of opening a warded and in some cases very simple lever locks. Warded locks and keys go back hundreds of years long before lever locks were used. Sometimes complex warding could be overcome by making skeleton key removing everything except what was necessary to get in and throw the bolt.
Metwerks Doug MacQueen wroteI noticed you called it a skeleton key. It is likely a lever lock key blank. Could be a warded key blank but doubtful being a 1865 patent. Yes it could be from prior to receiving the patent but much more likely after. Once a patent is no longer in effect many companies would just not stamp it. Skeleton keys are keys that have been reduced in material “skeletonized” in the hopes of opening a warded and in some cases very simple lever locks. Warded locks and keys go back hundreds of years long before lever locks were used. Sometimes complex warding could be overcome by making skeleton key removing everything except what was necessary to get in and throw the bolt. Thanks for the additional info - [unknown]
nathanbonstein house rim locks were much lighter than your commercial blank,have a few somewhere of the fold up ones the short ones were fold ups usually for sliding interior doors ,dining,library,etc 2nd pic is some rim locks,sargent,norwalk,corbin and a few paracentric s and one bicentric rim/mortise locks 3rd is skeleton keys solid and hollow tipped
